[Mpi3-ft] Nonblocking Process Creation and Management

Wed Jan 13 14:51:19 CST 2010

Thanks. Do we know any active app that uses the JOIN still? If none, why the heck keep it afloat?

I meant CANCEL in all its varieties. Again, how many apps cannot live without it?

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From: mpi3-ft-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi3-ft-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org] On Behalf Of Richard Treumann
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Subject: Re: [Mpi3-ft] Nonblocking Process Creation and Management

Why would JOIN be any less useful today than in the past? Why would you want to deprecate it? It is a trivial bootstrap for the simplest form of ACCEPT/CONNECT. It just hides the ACCEPT and CONNECT operations and lets the user handle the complexity of identifying the two end points any way he likes.

I never felt JOIN was needed very badly but it went in as a "what the heck" decision and I do not see that anything has changed.

Is it because IJOIN seems more difficult than IACCEPT and ICONNECT in some way?

When you say CANCEL should be deprecated, do you mean MPI_Cancel of an outstanding ISEND/IRECV request or something else?

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[cid:115354920 at 13012010-134E]"Supalov, Alexander" ---01/13/2010 02:53:18 PM---Thanks. I meant the JOIN per se as a way of establishing the communicator. Do we need that still? Wh

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Re: [Mpi3-ft] Nonblocking Process Creation and Management

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Thanks. I meant the JOIN per se as a way of establishing the communicator. Do we need that still? What practically relevant cases can be provided to justify its continuing existence? If there are none, we should rather deprecate the JOIN and drop the IJOIN.

Good point on the CANCEL.

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From: mpi3-ft-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi3-ft-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org] On Behalf Of Josh Hursey
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 8:25 PM
To: MPI 3.0 Fault Tolerance and Dynamic Process Control working Group
Subject: Re: [Mpi3-ft] Nonblocking Process Creation and Management

Since join() does a handshake to create the new communicator, it
should be delayed by the remote side of the protocol. A nonblocking
version would allow the application to possibly do other computation
while waiting for the remote side.

As far as Cancel, I have been thinking that it might be useful for
Accept and Connect. Though with the normal problems of Cancel, I don't
know how to really specify it. I want to look into it a bit more
before next week to see if anything useful can be said of using Cancel
with Accept/Connect.

-- Josh

On Jan 13, 2010, at 2:01 PM, Supalov, Alexander wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Do we really need the IJOIN thing? I think the JOIN itself should be
> deprecated. Just as CANCEL, by the way.
>
> Best regards.
>
> Alexander
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mpi3-ft-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi3-ft-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org
> ] On Behalf Of Josh Hursey
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:04 PM
> To: MPI 3.0 Fault Tolerance and Dynamic Process Control working Group
> Subject: [Mpi3-ft] Nonblocking Process Creation and Management
>
> I extended and cleaned up the Nonblocking Process Creation and
> Management proposal on the wiki:
>    https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/Async-proc-mgmt
>
> I added the rest of the nonblocking interface proposals, and touched
> up some of the language. I do not have an implementation yet, but will
> work on that next. There are a few items that I need to refine a bit
> still (e.g., MPI_Cancel, mixing of blocking and nonblocking), but this
> should give us a foundation to start from.
>
> I would like to talk about this next week during our working group
> slot at the MPI Forum meeting.
>
> Let me know what you think, and if you see any problems.
>
> Thanks,
> Josh
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