[Mpi-forum] ticket 273

[Jeff Hammond]

The way to make sure that 1/0/17 votes don't pass is for a few of the
17 abstains to grow a pair and vote "no" if they do not want the vote
to pass.  By induction, I believe that 8/1/7 should pass because if 7
voters have no reason to vote "no" and 8 of the 9 that care think it
should pass, then that means the proposal is pretty good.  Not
universally exciting perhaps, but still worthy of inclusion in the
standard.

Abstain votes seem to indicate either (1) the voter does not feel
qualified to evaluate the ticket or (2) the voter is too political
correct aka cowardly to express a useful opinion.  In the case of (1),
abstain should really mean nothing and not "no" so that unqualified
voters don't inadvertently sink good proposals just because they don't
care about or don't understand them.  In the case of (2), if I thought
I could influence Fortune 500 companies to do the right thing, I would
go after much bigger fish than MPI.

Jeff

On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 3:37 PM, Underwood, Keith D
<keith.d.underwood at intel.com> wrote:
> Yes, and I wasn't asserting anything differently.  We need rules that encompass what the forum believes should happen in the scenarios below.
>
> Keith
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mpi-forum-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi-forum-
>> bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org] On Behalf Of Richard Graham
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:31 PM
>> To: Main MPI Forum mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] ticket 273
>>
>> We need a clear set of rules, which we follow, regardless of how we feel
>> about the outcome.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: mpi-forum-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi-forum-
>> bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org] On Behalf Of Underwood, Keith D
>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:21 AM
>> To: Main MPI Forum mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] ticket 273
>>
>> <note to self: don't eat Jeff's brownies> :-)
>>
>> There are scenarios we need to address in the voting, though.  Votes that go
>> 1/0/15 shouldn't pass.  Votes that go 6/5/5 probably shouldn't pass.  Votes
>> that go 8/1/7 clearly suck, and we should stop doing that!
>>
>> Seriously, though, it is not immediately clear that an 8/1/7 vote should pass.
>> If there is that much apathy about a ticket, does the standard need to grow?
>>
>> Keith
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: mpi-forum-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi-forum-
>> > bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Hammond
>> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 3:49 PM
>> > To: Main MPI Forum mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] ticket 273
>> >
>> > Given that not being in the room means abstain, this new rule gives me
>> > a strong incentive to bake laxative-laced brownies when #281 goes up
>> > for a second vote.
>> >
>> > In other words, I agree that the new rules are stupid and that Mohamad
>> > is quite justified in being annoyed at his ticket being voted down
>> > since it was clearly favored by everyone who cared to voice an opinion.
>> >
>> > Jeff
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Jeff Squyres <jsquyres at cisco.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > On May 30, 2012, at 3:34 PM, Mohamad Chaarawi wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> If the abstains are because people don't care or don't understand
>> > >> what is
>> > being voted on or missed the vote (which are the reasons why I vote
>> > abstain), then the new voting rule doesn't really make sense.
>> > >
>> > > +1
>> > >
>> > > --
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