[Mpi-forum] #273 Re: July meeting

[Jeff Squyres]

We cannot re-evaluate past votes.  That is just too slippery of a slope.

The "Japan Rules" were agreed to in the room, and must stand for that meeting, regardless of whether people actually understood them or not.  We cannot re-interpret history.

I'm sorry, but #273 was voted down.

(also, for an analysis of the #273 votes, please see Mohamad's prior mail on this topic -- http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mpi-forum/2012/06/1736.php)


On Jun 20, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote:

> I read the discussion on this topic and ticket #273 has
> not the same problems as FT.
> Voting was 8=yes, 20=no, 6=abstain.
> The votes yes:no were 3:1 which is 75% pro ticket 273.
> I do not know how the abstain-votes of #273 are related to 
> abstain votes in the major ticket on non-blocking collectives #109.
> 
> I would recommend to ask the voters who voted "abstain", whether
> - their "abstain" means "not voting" (which is always allowed 
>   for simple majority and would not count for the quorum
>   of the single majority)
> - their "abstain" means a third flavor besides "yes" and "no"
>   which would count to the quorum same as a no-vote.
> Only in votings with absolute majority, the voters cannot
> decide whether they are part of the basis used to calculate
> the quorum.
> In the past, nobody used the "missed" as a voting-option,
> because you clearly stated that missed is used only by
> the secretary to count who is out of the room.
> 
> Only when all "abstain" votes will answer with "third flavor"
> then #273 has not passed first vote and will not proceed to 2nd vote.
> 
> If one of the organizations who voted with "abstain" would declare
> that this meant "not voted", then ticket #273 clearly passed
> the 1st vote.
> 
> best regards
> Rolf
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Squyres" <jsquyres at cisco.com>
>> To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum at lists.mpi-forum.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:31:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] July meeting
>> Rich --
>> 
>> I took the liberty of removing #273 from your 2nd vote list on the
>> agenda: it was voted down in Japan.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jun 16, 2012, at 11:30 AM, Richard Graham wrote:
>> 
>>> The first cut at the agenda for the July meeting of the Forum is
>>> on-line. As I mentioned at the last meeting, the goal of this
>>> meeting is to get the 3.0 standard ready to be released as a draft
>>> standard - all but the last vote, and perhaps a few ticket-0 minor
>>> edits before the final vote in Sept.
>>> 
>>> PLEASE NOTE: we will start as usual at 1pm on Monday, and go through
>>> 2:30 on THURSDAY – this is the first of the meetings where we shift
>>> to a quarterly meeting schedule.
>>> 
>>> The registration page and hotel information should also be available
>>> very soon – final logistics are being handled.
>>> 
>>> Rich
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