From hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de Thu Jun 1 09:56:46 2023 From: hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Marc-Andr=c3=a9_Hermanns?=) Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 16:56:46 +0200 Subject: [mpiwg-tools] No meeting today (sorry for the late notice) Message-ID: Hi all, as I don't have specific topics for today (not a Handle Introspection week) and I would like to start a conversation about wrapping Fortran 08 with several people who cannot join today, I would skip today's meeting. Sorry for the late notice. Cheers, Marc-Andre -- Dr. rer. nat. Marc-Andr? 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Marc-Andr? Hermanns > IT Center > Group: High Performance Computing > Division: Computational Science and Engineering > RWTH Aachen University > Seffenter Weg 23 > 52074 Aachen > Phone: +49 241 80-24381 > hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de > www.itc.rwth-aachen.de > Social Media Kan?le des IT Centers: > https://blog.rwth-aachen.de/itc/ > https://www.facebook.com/itcenterrwth > https://www.linkedin.com/company/itcenterrwth > https://twitter.com/ITCenterRWTH > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKKDJJukeRwO0LP-ac8x8rQ > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools at lists.mpi-forum.org > https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-tools -- Dr. rer. nat. 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From qkoziol at amazon.com Thu Jun 22 11:49:59 2023 From: qkoziol at amazon.com (Koziol, Quincey) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2023 16:49:59 +0000 Subject: [mpiwg-tools] Meeting Reminder June 22, 2023 (today) In-Reply-To: References: <718773f1-2f9b-492a-ac72-e52640da082d@itc.rwth-aachen.de> Message-ID: <5AC28A6B-5940-40BC-838E-325C25B59488@amazon.com> Unfortunately, my conflict is going to continue. Perhaps an out-of-band meeting, either earlier or later time, or on another day, would be best for the ABI discussion? Quincey > On Jun 22, 2023, at 9:56 AM, John DelSignore via mpiwg-tools wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you can confirm the sender and know the content is safe. > > > > I'm interested in the ABI discussion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mpiwg-tools On Behalf Of Joachim Jenke via mpiwg-tools > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 10:43 AM > To: mpiwg-tools at lists.mpi-forum.org > Cc: Joachim Jenke > Subject: Re: [mpiwg-tools] Meeting Reminder June 22, 2023 (today) > > If Quincy is available today and we have an interested crowd, I'm happy to put the MPI ABI back onto the agenda :D > > - Joachim > > Am 22.06.23 um 16:35 schrieb Hermanns, Marc-Andr? via mpiwg-tools: >> Hi all, >> >> This is a reminder of our regularly scheduled call today: >> June 22, 2023 at 8 am Pacific / 10 am Central / 5pm CET. >> >> Meeting Details (private repo): >> https://github.com/mpiwg-tools/mpi-standard/wiki/Meeting-Information >> >> >> Agenda: >> ------- >> - Handle Introspection >> >> As I don't feel so well, Joachim will lead the call (but he >> practically does this on Handle Introspection anyway). >> >> Cheers, >> Marc-Andre >> >> >> -- >> Dr. rer. nat. 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Joachim Jenke > > IT Center > Group: High Performance Computing > Division: Computational Science and Engineering RWTH Aachen University Seffenter Weg 23 D 52074 Aachen (Germany) > Tel: +49 241 80- 24765 > Fax: +49 241 80-624765 > jenke at itc.rwth-aachen.de > http://www.itc.rwth-aachen.de/ > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click on links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > > This e-mail may contain information that is privileged or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the e-mail and any attachments and notify us immediately. > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools at lists.mpi-forum.org > https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-tools From hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de Thu Jun 29 06:44:57 2023 From: hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Marc-Andr=c3=a9_Hermanns?=) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 13:44:57 +0200 Subject: [mpiwg-tools] No call today (June 29, 2023) Message-ID: Dear all, due to a conflict with another meeting, I would cancel today's meeting. As a teaser for future meetings: Martin brought back feedback/discussion notes from the Scalable Tools Workshop in Tahoe with several topics for us to work on. https://dyninst.github.io/scalable_tools_workshop/petascale2023/assets/slides/outbriefs/ScalablaTools23-MPI-Breakout.pdf Cheers, Marc-Andre -- Dr. rer. nat. Marc-Andr? 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Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 5374 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature URL: From rabenseifner at hlrs.de Thu Jun 29 09:51:07 2023 From: rabenseifner at hlrs.de (Rolf Rabenseifner) Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2023 16:51:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [mpiwg-tools] Change-log questions about tools issues in MPI-4.1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2022496846.2715725.1688050267302.JavaMail.zimbra@hlrs.de> Dear Marc-Andre and all, I just checked all MPI-4.1 issues and related pull requests, whether (1) they have, (2) they have not, but should have, (3) they should not have and have not a change-log entry. Problematic is category (2). I detected the following Issues / PRs and sorted in (1-3): (3) #160 PR-161 ERRATA: Clarify behavior for invalid MPI_T binding arguments (1) #443 PR-754 LIS entries in MPI_T chapter not reflecting IN vs. INOUT as defined in Term 2.3 chapter (3) #542 (PR-646) PR-795 #T Correct usage of the terms error and return codes in the tools chapter (3) #601 PR-734 Tools - Code examples improperly marked (3) #622 PR-734 Tools - Export "outcome is as if..." code fragments as proper examples (3) #674 PR-796 Tools chapter uses non-standard wildcard-notation for function names As far as I understand, only Issue #160 / PR-161 can be problematic: Are you sure that #160 does not cause - that an implementor of an MPI library has to fix something, or - that a user of the tools interface has to modify something in her/his tool, - or a third party, like trainiers have to change there course material? If there is no such risk, then it is okay to be quiet, i.e. not to provide a change-log entry. I personally expect that there are no such risks and therefore the decision "no change-log" was correct. What is your answer? Best regards Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MPI Tool WG" > To: "MPI Tool WG" > Cc: "Marc-Andre Hermanns" > Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 1:44:57 PM > Subject: [mpiwg-tools] No call today (June 29, 2023) > Dear all, > > due to a conflict with another meeting, I would cancel today's meeting. > > As a teaser for future meetings: Martin brought back > feedback/discussion notes from the Scalable Tools Workshop in Tahoe > with several topics for us to work on. > > https://dyninst.github.io/scalable_tools_workshop/petascale2023/assets/slides/outbriefs/ScalablaTools23-MPI-Breakout.pdf > > Cheers, > Marc-Andre > -- > Dr. rer. nat. Marc-Andr? Hermanns > > IT Center > Group: High Performance Computing > Division: Computational Science and Engineering > RWTH Aachen University > Seffenter Weg 23 > 52074 Aachen > Phone: +49 241 80-24381 > hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de > www.itc.rwth-aachen.de > > Social Media Kan?le des IT Centers: > https://blog.rwth-aachen.de/itc/ > https://www.facebook.com/itcenterrwth > https://www.linkedin.com/company/itcenterrwth > https://twitter.com/ITCenterRWTH > https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKKDJJukeRwO0LP-ac8x8rQ > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools at lists.mpi-forum.org > https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-tools -- Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. . . rabenseifner at hlrs.de . High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . . . ++49(0)711/685-65530 . University of Stuttgart . . . . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner . Nobelstr. 19, 70569 Stuttgart, Germany From hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de Fri Jun 30 05:31:46 2023 From: hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de (=?UTF-8?Q?Marc-Andr=c3=a9_Hermanns?=) Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2023 12:31:46 +0200 Subject: [mpiwg-tools] Change-log questions about tools issues in MPI-4.1 In-Reply-To: <2022496846.2715725.1688050267302.JavaMail.zimbra@hlrs.de> References: <2022496846.2715725.1688050267302.JavaMail.zimbra@hlrs.de> Message-ID: Hi Rolf, thanks for double checking this and for the hard work you put into the preparation of 4.1. You might be right that this behavior may imply changes either in an implementation or in a tool (as any observable behavior will eventually be relied upon by someone). I would therefore agree to a changelog and have opened a PR here: https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-standard/pull/836 Cheers, Marc-Andre On 29.06.23 16:51, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote: > Dear Marc-Andre and all, > > I just checked all MPI-4.1 issues and related pull requests, whether > (1) they have, > (2) they have not, but should have, > (3) they should not have and have not > a change-log entry. > > Problematic is category (2). > > I detected the following Issues / PRs and sorted in (1-3): > > (3) #160 PR-161 ERRATA: Clarify behavior for invalid MPI_T binding arguments So here it is (3) -> (2) > (1) #443 PR-754 LIS entries in MPI_T chapter not reflecting IN vs. INOUT as defined in Term 2.3 chapter > (3) #542 (PR-646) PR-795 #T Correct usage of the terms error and return codes in the tools chapter > (3) #601 PR-734 Tools - Code examples improperly marked > (3) #622 PR-734 Tools - Export "outcome is as if..." code fragments as proper examples > (3) #674 PR-796 Tools chapter uses non-standard wildcard-notation for function names > > As far as I understand, only Issue #160 / PR-161 can be problematic: > > Are you sure that #160 does not cause > - that an implementor of an MPI library has to fix something, or > - that a user of the tools interface has to modify something in her/his tool, > - or a third party, like trainiers have to change there course material? > > If there is no such risk, then it is okay to be quiet, i.e. not to provide a change-log entry. > > I personally expect that there are no such risks and therefore the decision "no change-log" was correct. > > What is your answer? See above. The issue was triggered by a user binding to MPI_COMM_WORLD "too early" (i.e., before MPI initialization) and therefore at least that user now needs to change his/her tool. (Even though that might have been done quite some time ago). If others disagree to this assessment, we can easily bin the Changelog, if not, we should wordsmith the Changelog entry as necessary in the July meeting. Cheers, Marc-Andre > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "MPI Tool WG" >> To: "MPI Tool WG" >> Cc: "Marc-Andre Hermanns" >> Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 1:44:57 PM >> Subject: [mpiwg-tools] No call today (June 29, 2023) > >> Dear all, >> >> due to a conflict with another meeting, I would cancel today's meeting. >> >> As a teaser for future meetings: Martin brought back >> feedback/discussion notes from the Scalable Tools Workshop in Tahoe >> with several topics for us to work on. >> >> https://dyninst.github.io/scalable_tools_workshop/petascale2023/assets/slides/outbriefs/ScalablaTools23-MPI-Breakout.pdf >> >> Cheers, >> Marc-Andre >> -- >> Dr. rer. nat. Marc-Andr? Hermanns >> >> IT Center >> Group: High Performance Computing >> Division: Computational Science and Engineering >> RWTH Aachen University >> Seffenter Weg 23 >> 52074 Aachen >> Phone: +49 241 80-24381 >> hermanns at itc.rwth-aachen.de >> www.itc.rwth-aachen.de >> >> Social Media Kan?le des IT Centers: >> https://blog.rwth-aachen.de/itc/ >> https://www.facebook.com/itcenterrwth >> https://www.linkedin.com/company/itcenterrwth >> https://twitter.com/ITCenterRWTH >> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCKKDJJukeRwO0LP-ac8x8rQ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpiwg-tools mailing list >> mpiwg-tools at lists.mpi-forum.org >> https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-tools > -- Dr. rer. nat. Marc-Andr? 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