[Mpi3-tools] Comments/Questions on Fortran 08 Bindings

Martin Schulz schulzm at llnl.gov
Sat Jul 2 12:32:04 CDT 2011

Hi Marc-Andre,

Thanks for gathering the input - this is helpful. I have cc-ed
the Fortran WG on this reply, since all of the questions are 
directed to them. Hopefully we can clarify some of this
during the TelCon on Wednesday - I hope and/or some
other people from JSC can make it.


On Jul 1, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Marc-Andre Hermanns wrote:

> Dear Martin,
> I gathered some feedback from some of the Scalasca team members on the
> proposed changes to profiling with the Fortran 08 interface.
> The Scalasca measurement adapter currently creates the Fortran wrappers
> for each of the four name-mangling schemes automatically (CPP macros),
> as the wrapper is the same, just the symbol name is different. Another
> name-mangling scheme for the same wrapper would probably not hurt very much.
> However, some questions arose in the discussions that I have to admit
> might stem from our limited knowledge of Fortran and Fortran 08 in
> particular.
> 1) Are the Fortran handle types compatible/interchangeable with the C
> handle types, or will c2f/f2c still have to be called?
> 2) Just as John Mellor-Crummey commented: are there standardized
> routines to handle the array descriptors in C and C++ which are the
> primary languages to implement a measurement layer? If not, how to deal
> with it? Can it be interpreted as a void*? How to compare against
> 3) If the Fortran 08-C/C++ interface for the descriptors is not
> available. Does it mean I have to implement the wrappers in Fortran?
> Didn't we just agree that MPI_T does not need Fortran bindings? In this
> case it would need them again, right?
> 4) How is the support for '_f' for just the MPI functions to be done in
> the Fortran compiler? Won't it be mangled to '_f_' or '_f__' again? What
> are the actual benefits of this '_f'?
> 5) Why deviate from the existing MPI_STATUS_IGNORE in favor of inflating
> the API? Is there a real need for it?
> I can easily imagine users of the Fortran 08 interface, while fixing
> some older MPI code written with the Fortran 77 interface, to get
> confused about the (in 77) non-optional status parameter.
> 7) Along the lines of Todd's comment on function overloading: It would
> be great if the _f08 and _f09_nostatus could just be the same
> measurement wrapper, to keep maintenance of measurement code to a minimum.
> Cheers,
> Marc-Andre
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