[Mpi3-ft] Ticket 323 - status?

Wed May 30 19:55:14 CDT 2012

On May 31, 2012, at 08:44 , Martin Schulz wrote:

> Several people who abstained had very similar concerns, but chose the abstain vote since they know it meant no, 

Your interpretation is barely making a "simple majority" in the forum, as highlighted by parallel discussions in the other email threads. But let's leave this discussion in its own thread.

But you're right, both "no" and "abstain" votes should be addressed. Bill made his point very clear, and to be honest he was the only one that raised a __valid__ point about the FT proposal. Personally, I am looking forward to fruitful discussions during our weekly phone-calls where the complaints raised during the voting will be brought forward in the way that the working group will have a real opportunity to address them as they deserve. In other terms we are all counting on you guys to enlighten us on the major issues with this proposal and the potential solutions you envision or promote.

  george.

On May 31, 2012, at 08:44 , Martin Schulz wrote:

> Hi George,
> 
> One other no was Intel as far as I remember, but I don't remember the 5th. However, I would suggest not to focus on the no votes alone. Several people who abstained had very similar concerns, but chose the abstain vote since they know it meant no, but they agreed with the general necessity of FT for MPI. I remember, for example, Bill saying that for him abstain meant no, but that changes later on could change his mind. Based on this interpretation, the ticket definitely had more than 5 no votes.
> 
> Martin
> 
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> On May 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Darius Buntinas wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Argonne was not convinced that we (FTWG) had the right solution, and the large changes in the text mentioned previously did not instill confidence.  So it was decided that Argonne would vote against the ticket.
>> 
>> -d
>> 
>> On May 30, 2012, at 6:24 PM, George Bosilca wrote:
>> 
>>> In total there were 5 no votes. I wonder who were the other two, they might be willing to enlighten us on their reasons to vote against.
>>> 
>>> george.
>>> 
>>> On May 31, 2012, at 05:48 , Anthony Skjellum wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Three no votes were LLNL, Argonne, and Sandia.  Since MPI is heavily driven by DOE, convincing these folks would be important.  
>>>> 
>>>> Tony Skjellum, tonyskj at yahoo.com or skjellum at gmail.com
>>>> Cell 205-807-4968
>>>> 
>>>> On May 31, 2012, at 5:10 AM, Richard Graham <richardg at mellanox.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The main objection raised is that the text has still been having large changes, and if not for the pressure of the 3.0 deadline, this would not have come up for a vote.  I talked one-on-one with many that either voted against or abstained, and this was the major (not only) point raised.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rich
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mpi3-ft-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi3-ft-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org] On Behalf Of Aurélien Bouteiller
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:05 PM
>>>>> To: MPI 3.0 Fault Tolerance and Dynamic Process Control working Group
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Mpi3-ft] Ticket 323 - status?
>>>>> 
>>>>> It seems we had very little, if any, technical opposition on the content of the proposal itself, but mostly comments on the process. I think we need to understand more what are the oppositions. Do we have a list of who voted for and against and their rationale?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Aurelien
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Le 30 mai 2012 à 08:52, Josh Hursey a écrit :
>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is unfortunate. A close vote (7 yes to 9 no/abstain). :/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Josh
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Thomas Herault 
>>>>>> <herault.thomas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Le 30 mai 2012 a 01:44, George Bosilca a écrit:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The ticket has been voted down. Come back in 6 months, maybe 3.1. The votes were 7 yes, 4 abstains and 5 no.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Le 30 mai 2012 à 07:02, Josh Hursey a écrit :
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> How did the vote go for the fault tolerance ticket 323?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- Josh
>>>>>>>> 
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