[Mpi-forum] Proposed Update the MPI Forum Rules

Tue Apr 14 12:17:54 CDT 2015

Hi,

After some thought, I think the Forum should always have two votes for the
final draft of the standard.  As Martin previously pointed out, the
ratification process is important enough to warrant the two vote rule
similar to regular text changes.  Two votes would allow more members to
vote on the final draft.  As long as they don+IBk-t miss two meetings in a row
they would get to vote on some form of the final draft.  A number of
member institutions don+IBk-t go or rarely go to the international meeting so
they could potentially miss a single final ratification vote.  If I recall
correctly, the final vote for the MPI 3.0 standard was scheduled for
meeting in Europe, though for some reason that I don+IBk-t recall the final
vote occurred by e-mail.

If the Forum does decide to have a +IBw-fast path+IB0- approval process, a vote
should be required to use the fast path and it should not be at the same
meeting as the single standard ratification vote.
	- Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Rolf Rabenseifner +ADw-rabenseifner+AEA-hlrs.de+AD4-
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Date: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 at 11:44 AM
To: Main MPI Forum mailing list +ADw-mpi-forum+AEA-lists.mpi-forum.org+AD4-
Subject: Re: +AFs-Mpi-forum+AF0- Proposed Update the MPI Forum Rules

+AD4-If the changes would have been smaller, then our March meeting
+AD4-would have finalized MPI-3.1 - I'm pretty sure.
+AD4-
+AD4-Yes, I also feel that there should be a short path.
+AD4-For this, the voting slots for RCM may be on the 3rd day,
+AD4-but should be movable to the last day and substitute the FRM
+AD4-voting slot.
+AD4-
+AD4-Rolf
+AD4-
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+AD4APg- Hi Aurelien, all,
+AD4APg- 
+AD4APg- Jeff and I have discussed this as well, but thought the ratification
+AD4APg- process is important enough to also warrant the two vote rule, as do
+AD4APg- regular text items. The reasoning was that there will always be some
+AD4APg- changes in the RCM (even if they are minor) and this would give people a
+AD4APg- time to think about them. However, that is certainly a good point for
+AD4APg- discussion to allow a quick path if there are really no changes pending
+AD4APg- (something like allowing the RCM and FRM to be at the same meeting with
+AD4APg- the two votes separated by at least one night). How does the rest of the
+AD4APg- group feel about this?
+AD4APg- 
+AD4APg- Thanks+ACE-
+AD4APg- 
+AD4APg- Martin
+AD4APg- 
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+AD4APg- Martin Schulz, schulzm+AEA-llnl.gov, http://scalability.llnl.gov/
+AD4APg- CASC +AEA- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA
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+AD4APg- 
+AD4APg- 
+AD4APg- On 4/14/15, 6:00 AM, +ACI-Aur+AOk-lien Bouteiller+ACI- +ADw-bouteill+AEA-icl.utk.edu+AD4- wrote:
+AD4APg- 
+AD4APgA+-It seems that the new rules make the preparation of the final version
+AD4APgA+-always require 2 meetings. We should keep the possibility open for a 1
+AD4APgA+-meeting final version, for the case when all tickets have been voted and
+AD4APgA+-implemented long ago and we only need to vote, like it happened for 3.0.
+AD4APgA+-One could argue that the last release meeting where we had still
+AD4APgA+-semantic
+AD4APgA+-patches on our plate is the outlier rather than the norm.
+AD4APgA+-
+AD4APgA+-Aurelien
+AD4APgA+-
+AD4APgA+---
+AD4APgA+-Aur+AOk-lien Bouteiller +AH4- https://icl.cs.utk.edu/+AH4-bouteill/
+AD4APgA+-
+AD4APgA+AD4- Le 14 avr. 2015 +AOA- 01:26, Schulz Martin +ADw-schulzm+AEA-llnl.gov+AD4- a +AOk-crit :
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- Hi Steve,
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- Sorry, I should have made this clear - our proposal would be to
+AD4APgA+AD4-consider
+AD4APgA+AD4- the March meeting a successful RCM and then, if the rules are
+AD4APgA+AD4-accepted,
+AD4APgA+AD4- hold the Chicago meeting in July as the FRM.
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- Thanks for pointing this out,
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- Martin
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBfAF8AXwBf-
+AD4APgA+AD4AXw-
+AD4APgA+AD4- Martin Schulz, schulzm+AEA-llnl.gov, http://scalability.llnl.gov/
+AD4APgA+AD4- CASC +AEA- Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4- On 4/13/15, 8:16 AM, +ACI-Steven Oyanagi+ACI- +ADw-sko+AEA-cray.com+AD4- wrote:
+AD4APgA+AD4- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- Hi,
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- A possibly dumb question, but one that needs clarification for those
+AD4APgA+AD4APg-of us
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- who were not at the March MPI Forum meeting.  The new voting rules
+AD4APgA+AD4APg-propose
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- a +ALM-Release Candidate Meeting (RCM)+ALI- and a +ALM-Final Ratification
+AD4APgA+AD4APg-Meeting+ALI-.
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- For MPI-3.1, is the March meeting considered to be the +ALM-Release
+AD4APgA+AD4APg-Candidate+ALI-
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- meeting and we are on track to have final ratification of MPI-3.1 in
+AD4APgA+AD4APg-June,
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- or will June be the RCM and final ratification would occur in
+AD4APgA+AD4APg-September?
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- 	- Steve
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- -----Original Message-----
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- From: Martin Shulz +ADw-schulzm+AEA-llnl.gov+AD4-
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- Reply-To: Main MPI Forum mailing list +ADw-mpi-forum+AEA-lists.mpi-forum.org+AD4-
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- Date: Monday, April 13, 2015 at 1:13 AM
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- To: Main mailing list +ADw-mpi-forum+AEA-lists.mpi-forum.org+AD4-
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- Subject: +AFs-Mpi-forum+AF0- Proposed Update the MPI Forum Rules
+AD4APgA+AD4APg- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- Hi all,
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- As discussed at the last forum meeting, Jeff and I drafted an
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+-updated
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- version of the MPI rules/voting document that we want to propose to
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+-the
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- MPI forum and that, if accepted, is intended to cover the MPI 3.1
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- ratification. The document is attached and all
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- changes compared to the previous document are marked in red. The
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+-idea
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- was to basically write up the process we followed at the last
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+-meeting
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+-and
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- that most seemed to like. Questions and comments are, of course,
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+-welcome
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- our intent is to publish a final version
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- with comments included by May 4th, i.e., 4 weeks before the June
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+-forum,
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- and then put this document up for a vote at the meeting.
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- Thanks+ACE-
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- 
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- Martin
+AD4APgA+AD4APgA+- 
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