[Mpi-forum] Meeting schedule for 2012

Fab Tillier ftillier at microsoft.com
Tue Sep 20 17:25:14 CDT 2011 

Or maybe you just end up missing one meeting per year.  You'd still retain voting rights if you attended the rest of the meetings.

This isn't that different than trying to get to Santorini - it too is cost prohibitive, not to mention requiring a handful of layovers when flying from the US west coast.  The solution (for me at least) is to miss the Santorini meeting.  This slows down the progress on my proposals, but such is life.

Cheers,
-Fab

Rolf Rabenseifner wrote on Tue, 20 Sep 2011 at 14:11:30

> To make it very clear,
> acceptable flight prices rely on
> - weekend (is given wen combining EuroMPI and MPI-Forum meeting)
> - or crossed tickets bought long in advance
>   (form on continent to another)
> - or staying within US.
> 
> One meeting in Japan implies that the flght must be extended
> to get tourist prices.
> 
> This is against our current rules, having meetings only
> in a way that short trips are possible
> - for EU: Monday - Thursday
> - for J:  Sunday - Wednesday
> - jor US: Monday - Wednesday
> 
> The cheapestr flight from Stuttgart to Tokyo,
> Sunday May 6 - Wednesday May 9 and only 1 stop is
> 1757 Euro = 2408 US $.
> This is a no-go.
> 
> To keep flight prices low, we decided only to go to Chicago.
> To still keep them low and to be convinient for Japaneese
> attendendees, we decided to toggle between Chicago and SFO.
> 
> Best regards
> Rolf
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jeff Squyres" <jsquyres at cisco.com>
>> To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum at lists.mpi-forum.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:55:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Meeting schedule for 2012
>> Various companies (including mine) have reasonable telepresence
>> solutions. However, they (all?) require dedicated equipment, which
>> most people assumedly don't have.
>> 
>> Webex recently introduced higher-quality video streaming, and it's
>> pretty nice. But the video is still more-or-less focused on individual
>> people. I haven't tried room-wide camera with webex (e.g., have 1 or
>> more camera in the Forum meeting room). I'm sure it could be done if
>> we cared.
>> 
>> Audio is the other problem. Telepresence systems have very well-tuned
>> audio such that hearing the people on the other side works very well.
>> With webex or normal teleconferencing, we'd have to put multiple
>> micorophones throughout the meeting room. Then those on the remote
>> side inevitably have to deal with chatter of those who are not
>> involved in the main conversation, etc.
>> 
>> Meaning: at a minimum, the Forum would need to meet in
>> remote-audio-equipped room (i.e., a bunch of microphones around the
>> room).
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Underwood, Keith D wrote:
>> 
>>> It would help if somebody knew the state of the art for
>>> telepresence. Any inputs?
>>> 
>>> My best understanding is that there are really good solutions for
>>> "some to some" interactions, but that the "some to many" problem
>>> isn't solved. And, the "some to some" solutions seem to require a
>>> preconfigured room.
>>> 
>>> But, it is largely irrelevant: the 8 hour time difference from Japan
>>> to pacific and 11 hours from Japan to eastern is likely to be the
>>> actual prohibitive item for either far east participation in US
>>> based meetings or US participation in far east meetings. It only
>>> leaves you a few hours a day that are rational for participation.
>>> Europe to the US is not quite as bad, but still a significant
>>> challenge.
>>> 
>>> Keith
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: mpi-forum-bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi-forum-
>>>> bounces at lists.mpi-forum.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Squyres
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:59 AM
>>>> To: Main MPI Forum mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Meeting schedule for 2012
>>>> 
>>>> This is a good starting point for the discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> Other logistical issues will also need to be discussed, such as
>>>> which
>>>> video system to use (I firmly believe that audio-only participation
>>>> will not be enough), how to get access to it, etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Rich -- maybe you can talk about the issues surrounding virtual
>>>> attendance at Santorini and/or in Chicago?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Jeff Hammond wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> what if digital attendance was only permitted by parties who were
>>>>> already voting-eligible? that way, organizations with limited travel
>>>>> funds could attend >50% of meetings in-person but still vote in the
>>>>> remainder. for example, if you have to earn eligibility the
>>>>> old-fashioned way (physical attendance), it immediately eliminates
>>>>> all the flakes from the digital attendance pool.
>>>>> 
>>>>> anyways, video telecons are still a pain in the arse no matter who
>>>>> is
>>>>> showing up that way.
>>>>> 
>>>>> jeff
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jeff Squyres <jsquyres at cisco.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Jeff Hammond wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I wonder at what point the MPI Forum will support digital
>>>>>>> attendance. I guess someone must have looked into this and decided
>>>>>>> that it was too much of pain in the arse.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That has been the conclusion in the past -- plus, the Forum
>>>> intentionally wanted to "raise the bar" for participation, trying
>>>> to
>>>> ensure that only those who really cared would actually be involved.
>>>> This prevents (at least) two kinds of lazy participants:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - those who only want their organization's name on the MPI roster
>>>>>> - those who only attend occasional meetings (or worse, just a
>>>> session or two here and there) and don't really have a good
>>>> understanding of the Forum or the issues involved
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To be clear, Forum participation is open to anyone. But we really
>>>> only want people who want to actually be *involved* -- not just
>>>> someone
>>>> who drops in for an occasional meeting and is (perhaps
>>>> unintentionally)
>>>> disruptive due to lack of knowledge/experience on how the Forum
>>>> works,
>>>> the body of complex issues that are being worked on, etc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> --
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Argonne Leadership Computing Facility
>>>>> University of Chicago Computation Institute
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