[Mpi-forum] Meeting schedule for 2012

[Jeff Squyres]

Various companies (including mine) have reasonable telepresence solutions.  However, they (all?) require dedicated equipment, which most people assumedly don't have.

Webex recently introduced higher-quality video streaming, and it's pretty nice.  But the video is still more-or-less focused on individual people.  I haven't tried room-wide camera with webex (e.g., have 1 or more camera in the Forum meeting room).  I'm sure it could be done if we cared.

Audio is the other problem.  Telepresence systems have very well-tuned audio such that hearing the people on the other side works very well.  With webex or normal teleconferencing, we'd have to put multiple micorophones throughout the meeting room.  Then those on the remote side inevitably have to deal with chatter of those who are not involved in the main conversation, etc.

Meaning: at a minimum, the Forum would need to meet in remote-audio-equipped room (i.e., a bunch of microphones around the room).


On Sep 20, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Underwood, Keith D wrote:

> It would help if somebody knew the state of the art for telepresence.  Any inputs?  
> 
> My best understanding is that there are really good solutions for "some to some" interactions, but that the "some to many" problem isn't solved.  And, the "some to some" solutions seem to require a preconfigured room.
> 
> But, it is largely irrelevant:  the 8 hour time difference from Japan to pacific and 11 hours from Japan to eastern is likely to be the actual prohibitive item for either far east participation in US based meetings or US participation in far east meetings.  It only leaves you a few hours a day that are rational for participation.  Europe to the US is not quite as bad, but still a significant challenge.  
> 
> Keith
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> This is a good starting point for the discussion.
>> 
>> Other logistical issues will also need to be discussed, such as which
>> video system to use (I firmly believe that audio-only participation
>> will not be enough), how to get access to it, etc.
>> 
>> Rich -- maybe you can talk about the issues surrounding virtual
>> attendance at Santorini and/or in Chicago?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Jeff Hammond wrote:
>> 
>>> what if digital attendance was only permitted by parties who were
>>> already voting-eligible?  that way, organizations with limited travel
>>> funds could attend >50% of meetings in-person but still vote in the
>>> remainder.  for example, if you have to earn eligibility the
>>> old-fashioned way (physical attendance), it immediately eliminates
>> all
>>> the flakes from the digital attendance pool.
>>> 
>>> anyways, video telecons are still a pain in the arse no matter who is
>>> showing up that way.
>>> 
>>> jeff
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 8:33 AM, Jeff Squyres <jsquyres at cisco.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> On Sep 20, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Jeff Hammond wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder at what point the MPI Forum will support digital
>> attendance.
>>>>> I guess someone must have looked into this and decided that it was
>> too
>>>>> much of pain in the arse.
>>>> 
>>>> That has been the conclusion in the past -- plus, the Forum
>> intentionally wanted to "raise the bar" for participation, trying to
>> ensure that only those who really cared would actually be involved.
>> This prevents (at least) two kinds of lazy participants:
>>>> 
>>>> - those who only want their organization's name on the MPI roster
>>>> - those who only attend occasional meetings (or worse, just a
>> session or two here and there) and don't really have a good
>> understanding of the Forum or the issues involved
>>>> 
>>>> To be clear, Forum participation is open to anyone.  But we really
>> only want people who want to actually be *involved* -- not just someone
>> who drops in for an occasional meeting and is (perhaps unintentionally)
>> disruptive due to lack of knowledge/experience on how the Forum works,
>> the body of complex issues that are being worked on, etc.
>>>> 
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