<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>Hi Bronis,</div><br><div><div>On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Bronis R. de Supinski wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Martin:<br><br>Re:<br><blockquote type="cite">Thanks to all for the comments and the feedback. I tried to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">include all comments (more detailed responses summarized<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">below). Attached are the final slides that I will send to Rich.<br></blockquote><br>This version is fine but I have no idea what you meant by<br>"more detailed responses summarized below" -- perhaps you<br>forgot to include something into your email.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is very strange - somehow Apple Mail or Exchange put</div><div>all text in my email that was below the attachment into a </div><div>separate HTML attachment, which should be attached to</div><div>the original email (at least that's how my outfolder has it).</div><div>I have not seen this before - the text is appended below</div><div>again just to make sure (not that it is overly important at</div><div>this point).</div><div><br></div><div>Martin</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div></div><div><br></div><div>Marc-Andre:</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I
think the slides are too full. Maybe I am missing what the BoF session
is for. Am I correct that it is meant to reach out beyond the Forum?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I tried to cut it down even more. I think we need a bit more than</div><div>in your proposal, but I understand your direction.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>I
think it is best to have the user relate the info to his own
experience. That's why in my proposal I just wrote "it like PAPI just
for 'Software Counters' and with read--write access". A single sentence
and whoever is listening should have a clear view on what we want to
accomplish. If we directly want comments on the internals, people have
to read the draft first anyway.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I added the PAPI example back.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Also.
I would not cite the direct link to the drafts. People will not be able
to memorize the whole url, so I think the critical info is: <a href="http://svn.mpi-forum.org/">svn.mpi-forum.org</a> and "Tools WG". Then, I would place a link to each draft prominently on the beginning of the page (maybe below "List of …")<br></div><div><div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Good point - I changed the slides and I will change the Wiki</div><div>accordingly.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Bronis:</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>The animated MPIT slide is good. I tweaked the animation<br>slightly in the attached so that each examples text box<br>appears just after the relevant animation.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That actually changed the meaning - the example had the</div><div>setup phase to the left and then an example for a performance</div><div>variable on the right. Control variables were not in. I changed</div><div>the text to avoid this misunderstanding when Rich is presenting.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Also, I thought we agreed that we would not use hidden slides<br>as it is confusing. In any event, I think you need some words<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Those were really intended only for the Web version only.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>on MPIT even with the animation. Further, the hidden MPIR<br>texxt slide was almost identical to the unhidden one. I unhid<br>all of the slides in the attached and merged the two MPIR<br>text slides. A good tweak would be to animate the MPIR process<br>figure but that would be above and beyond.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we don't want any hidden slides - the last one seems too much.</div><div>I got rid of it - people can look at the document.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Overall the current version does put us a couple slides over<br>the request. However, it goes over due to the graphic slides,<br>whichwill help to make the talk more interesting so I would<br>hope that Rich would be OK with that.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We are now 1 slide over, so I hope this is OK.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kathryn:</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I
really like the examples and animation you added to slide 2! Now that
you have that, I think you can remove some of the text from slide 3 to
make it less dense without losing information, e.g. the examples of
variables. I edited slide 3 so that it's somewhat less dense but still
something that I think Rich can read from and get the information we
want across (attached slide 3).<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Slide 3 was not supposed to be shown and only intended for the</div><div>web version. Since both you and Bronis seemed to not like this,</div><div>I added your modified slide as an unhidden one (in which case</div><div>I like the reduced text).</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Also,
there was a typo in slide 3 that I think you will want to fix in any
case: "if the MPI implementation support this" change support to
supports.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's in there now.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><br></div><br><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium;"><div style="word-wrap: break-word;"><div><div>________________________________________________________________________</div><div>Martin Schulz, <a href="mailto:schulzm@llnl.gov">schulzm@llnl.gov</a>, <a href="http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm">http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm</a></div><div>CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA</div><div><br></div></div></div></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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