<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div></div><div><br></div><div>Marc-Andre:</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I think the slides are too full. Maybe I am missing what the BoF session is for. Am I correct that it is meant to reach out beyond the Forum?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I tried to cut it down even more. I think we need a bit more than</div><div>in your proposal, but I understand your direction.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>I think it is best to have the user relate the info to his own experience. That's why in my proposal I just wrote "it like PAPI just for 'Software Counters' and with read--write access". A single sentence and whoever is listening should have a clear view on what we want to accomplish. If we directly want comments on the internals, people have to read the draft first anyway.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I added the PAPI example back.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Also. I would not cite the direct link to the drafts. People will not be able to memorize the whole url, so I think the critical info is: <a href="http://svn.mpi-forum.org/">svn.mpi-forum.org</a> and "Tools WG". Then, I would place a link to each draft prominently on the beginning of the page (maybe below "List of …")<br></div><div><div>
<span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "></span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Good point - I changed the slides and I will change the Wiki</div><div>accordingly.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Bronis:</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>The animated MPIT slide is good. I tweaked the animation<br>slightly in the attached so that each examples text box<br>appears just after the relevant animation.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That actually changed the meaning - the example had the</div><div>setup phase to the left and then an example for a performance</div><div>variable on the right. Control variables were not in. I changed</div><div>the text to avoid this misunderstanding when Rich is presenting.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Also, I thought we agreed that we would not use hidden slides<br>as it is confusing. In any event, I think you need some words<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Those were really intended only for the Web version only.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>on MPIT even with the animation. Further, the hidden MPIR<br>texxt slide was almost identical to the unhidden one. I unhid<br>all of the slides in the attached and merged the two MPIR<br>text slides. A good tweak would be to animate the MPIR process<br>figure but that would be above and beyond.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>If we don't want any hidden slides - the last one seems too much.</div><div>I got rid of it - people can look at the document.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Overall the current version does put us a couple slides over<br>the request. However, it goes over due to the graphic slides,<br>whichwill help to make the talk more interesting so I would<br>hope that Rich would be OK with that.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We are now 1 slide over, so I hope this is OK.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Kathryn:</div><div><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I really like the examples and animation you added to slide 2! Now that you have that, I think you can remove some of the text from slide 3 to make it less dense without losing information, e.g. the examples of variables. I edited slide 3 so that it's somewhat less dense but still something that I think Rich can read from and get the information we want across (attached slide 3).<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Slide 3 was not supposed to be shown and only intended for the</div><div>web version. Since both you and Bronis seemed to not like this,</div><div>I added your modified slide as an unhidden one (in which case</div><div>I like the reduced text).</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div><br>Also, there was a typo in slide 3 that I think you will want to fix in any case: "if the MPI implementation support this" change support to supports.<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That's in there now.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div><br></div><br><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div>________________________________________________________________________</div><div>Martin Schulz, <a href="mailto:schulzm@llnl.gov">schulzm@llnl.gov</a>, <a href="http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm">http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm</a></div><div>CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA</div><div><br></div></div></div></span></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
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