<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It's a U.S. holiday today. Might not get many takers on this side of the pond. </div><div><br></div><div>Jeff <br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 25, 2015, at 2:33 AM, Daniel Holmes <<a href="mailto:dholmes@epcc.ed.ac.uk">dholmes@epcc.ed.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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Hi All,<br>
<br>
The next point-to-point teleconference will be today (in 4 and a bit
hours' time), Monday 25th April 2015 at 11am Central US via webex.<br>
<br>
Connection details are on the point-to-point wiki page:<br>
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Agenda:<br>
1) "Can INFO keys change the semantic behaviour of MPI?" issue - the
communicator assertions ticket is ready for Forum feedback, time has
been requested for an informal reading in June.<br>
2) New communicator INFO keys - it looks like these will be allowed,
so we should define a few and get a proposal ready for the next
face-to-face meeting<br>
3) Progress on Arecv and Fsend or ReceiveReduce?<br>
4) Other stuff?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Dan.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 27/04/2015 15:29, Daniel Holmes
wrote:<br>
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Hi All,<br>
<br>
I am cancelling the point-to-point teleconference today because I
have not had time to progress the work on communicator assertions
since last time and I am not aware of any other ongoing work for
us to talk about.<br>
<br>
Looking forward to figure out when the next meeting will take
place, I won't be available for the next two teleconferences due
to travelling. This means that the next meeting date would be 25th
May, i.e. one week before the face-to-face meeting in Chicago.<br>
<br>
I will send out a reminder nearer the time and will communicate
any progress in the interim via email.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Dan.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/04/2015 10:32, Daniel Holmes
wrote:<br>
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Hi All,<br>
<br>
The next point-to-point teleconference will be today, Monday
13th April 2015 at 11am Central US via webex.<br>
<br>
Connection details are on the point-to-point wiki page:<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/PtpWikiPage">https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/PtpWikiPage</a><br>
<br>
Agenda:<br>
0) Discuss/agree the to-do list (see below) that covers the next
two agenda items.<br>
1) "Can INFO keys change the semantic behaviour of MPI?" issue -
following the discussion at the face-to-face meeting, we seem to
have a workable way forward on this issue!<br>
2) New communicator INFO keys - it looks like these will be
allowed, so we should define a few and get a proposal ready for
the next face-to-face meeting<br>
3) Progress on Arecv and Fsend or ReceiveReduce?<br>
4) Other stuff?<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Dan.<br>
<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Hi All,<br>
<br>
At the last telco meeting, Jim asked for a to-do list of the
tasks needed to move communicator assertions forward. Please
find below a first draft of such a task list. Could we agree
that this is a good list? If you see something odd/missing,
reply to this email group.<br>
<br>
<u>To-do list for communicator assertions</u><u><br>
</u><br>
0) Gather evidence to support "no-one will be affected by
backwards incompatibility".<br>
(e.g. chase Pavan, who volunteered to do this for major
MPICH users)<br>
1) Change behaviour of MPI_COMM_DUP so that INFO keys are
*not* propagated to new comm.<br>
(include AtoU: if you want to dup INFO use
MPI_COMM_DUP_WITH_INFO, with example)<br>
2) Discuss whether attributes (plus, anything else?) should be
propagated by MPI_COMM_DUP.<br>
(default presumption is yes, they should still be
propagated).<br>
3) Find all occurrence of language in the MPI Standard that
suggests INFO keys are hints.<br>
a) Change or remove any generic statements like "INFO keys
cannot change semantics".<br>
(e.g. change to "cannot change observable semantics" or
remove)<br>
b) For each occurrence, determine if it should continue to
suggest hint status<br>
(e.g. a particular key, most likely for the I/O keys but
maybe also some RMA keys)<br>
<br>
A) Convert ticket 381 into "make comm assertions doable"
proposal (by Jun 2015 - Chicago?)<br>
B) Get "no wildcard" INFO keys proposal ready for formal
reading (by Jun 2015 - Chicago?)<br>
C) Get "no ordering" INFO key proposal ready for formal
reading (by Jun 2015 - Chicago?)<br>
D) Get "no cancel" INFO keys proposal ready for formal reading
(by Jun 2015 - Chicago?)<br>
E) Discuss other INFO key proposals, e.g. "only wildcard", "no
non-blocking", "no underflow"<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Dan.</blockquote>
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