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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">HI Martin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Should we search for a different/better time & day for these Languages WG meetings?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also, I pruned the cc list to remove subscribers to the WG’s email list. How many non-subscribers (those in cc for this email) want to receive these emails?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you’re cc’d here, then you’re not subscribed (with that email address); if you want to be, please go here and sign up:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-languages">https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-languages</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Some of the discussion on side documents was captured by Wes in a summary comment on Issue 562:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/562#issuecomment-1263956090">https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/562#issuecomment-1263956090</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system;color:#24292F">Based on the discussion on 2022-09-30:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system">We need to unify and better specify the terminology on these documents between the website, procedures document, and this proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system">It sounds like this is proposing having at least three categories of documents:<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul type="circle">
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system">Normative side-documents (e.g., new language documents, MQD?, MPIR?)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system">Non-normative side-documents (e.g., exploratory features)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#24292F;margin-top:3.0pt;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;background:white">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system">Organizational side-documents (e.g. JOD, instructions for preparing the doc)<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system">This proposal will need to include changes to the procedures that define any new categories.<o:p></o:p></span></li><div style="mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-bottom:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 1.0pt 0cm;background:white;margin-left:18.0pt;margin-right:0cm">
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:-apple-system">We may also need to include (either with this proposal or very soon afterward) changes to the existing documents to make them compatible with the new definitions.<o:p></o:p></span></li></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Additional notes:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The Languages WG wants to add normative side-documents containing optional bindings for additional languages (e.g. C++, Python, …)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The HACC WG wants to add normative side-documents containing optional bindings for language extensions (e.g. CUDA, SYCL, …)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The HACC WG wants to add (non-)normative side-documents containing experimental features (e.g. continuations, streams/queues, …)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The JOD was excised from the MPI-4.x branch (after the MPI-4.0 release) by the document editor; adding it back in might be A Bad Thing ™<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Changes to all existing (companion/associated/side-)documents to make them conform is (significant?) scope-creep.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Dan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US">-----Original Appointment-----<br>
<b>From:</b> mpiwg-languages <mpiwg-languages-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ruefenacht, Martin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 10 October 2022 07:50<br>
<b>To:</b> mpiwg-languages@lists.mpi-forum.org; Skjellum, Anthony; Klemm, Michael; Dan Holmes; Elis, Bengisu; Alfredo Correa<br>
<b>Cc:</b> jeff.science@gmail.com; Ghosh, Sayan; andrew.lumsdaine; dalcinl@gmail.com; Eijkhout, Victor; schuchart@icl.utk.edu; alfredo.correa@gmail.com; Schafer, Derek; Suggs, Evan<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mpiwg-languages] Canceled: MPI Languages WG<br>
<b>When:</b> 13 October 2022 15:00-16:00 (UTC+01:00) Belgrade, Bratislava, Budapest, Ljubljana, Prague.<br>
<b>Where:</b> https://tum-conf.zoom.us/j/62174408327<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Apologies I need to cancel this meeting. I know there was interesting discussion about the presentation topic that Daniel Holmes presented.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">If you want me to keep the slot going let me know so that a discussion can be had.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Martin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:18.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Topic: MPI Languages WG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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