<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><div><div>On Sep 3, 2013, at 21:40 , Wesley Bland <<a href="mailto:wbland@mcs.anl.gov">wbland@mcs.anl.gov</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Due to lack of participate (just Manju & I), we cancelled this week's call. We didn't have anything major to discuss today as we have the forum meeting next week and things have mostly been prepped for that meeting. I distributed the most recent version of the slides this morning. I don't think there are any more changes to be made there other than deciding about the failure_ack/get_acked vs. get_failed semantic. Once we make a decision, we need to remove one slide or the other. Which brings me to the other point I was going to discuss today:<div>
<br></div><div>Aurelien provided an example use case for the MPI_COMM_GET_FAILED semantic just before the call last week. </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Reading Aurelien's email I have a different understanding. It seems that he provides an example on how it can be used, and not a use case. While the example seems to be correct it is extremely complex, not something we want to enforce on users.<div><br></div><div>The current approach with two separate calls ACK + GET_ACK allows for a simpler management of errors while enabling the developers to write different, more flexible, approaches to deal with failures. I fail to see the need to replace such a flexible mechanism with a call that only allows a single usage pattern.<div><br></div><div> George.</div><div><br><div></div></div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>Since we didn't have much time with it, we decided to wait and discuss it this week. I've been looking at it and the idea seems solid to me. It's possible that there might be a semantic issue or two, but the rationale seems good. I propose that we combine MPI_COMM_FAILURE_ACK/GET_ACKED to create a new function MPI_COMM_GET_FAILED. Essentially the new function will do exactly the same thing as the previous functions, just without the separated semantics. The function header would look like this:</div>
<div><br></div><div>int MPI_Comm_get_failed(MPI_Comm comm, MPI_Group *failed_group);</div><div><br></div><div>Where ''failed_group'' is the group of processes which is locally known to have failed in ''comm''. Obviously there will need to be some textual changes in the chapter to reflect this change. For the slides, essentially, we just need to take out slide 7 and remove "[Alternative]" from the title of slide 8. I won't bother sending out another version of the slides for this. Rich, can you make these changes in your version?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Other than that, we can talk about future plans on the next call. My participation over the next month or two might be intermittent. My wife and I are expecting our first baby in the next 2-3 weeks so I might miss a couple of calls.</div>
<div><br></div><div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Wesley</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Wesley Bland <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wbland@mcs.anl.gov" target="_blank">wbland@mcs.anl.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><font><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Dear WG members,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">This is a reminder that according to our planning, we are having our regular phone meeting today at 3pm EDT.</span></font><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<font><br></font></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div><font><b>NOTE THE NEW CALL-IN NUMBER.</b> This a permanent change from the old number.<br><br>
Date: September 3,<br>Time: 3pm EDT/New York<br>Dial-in information: <a href="tel:218-339-4600" value="+12183394600" target="_blank">712-432-0360</a><br>Code: 623998#</font><div><font><br></font></div><div>
<font>Agenda:</font></div><div><font>* Discuss Aurelien's example for MPI_COMM_GET_FAILED</font></div></div><div><font>* Plan for Madrid meeting (quick skim of slides, including changes which happened after last call)</font></div>
<div><font>* Discuss plan for proposal moving toward December reading<br><br>Next Meetings:</font><div><font>* September 17, 2013</font></div><div><font>* October 1, 2013</font></div>
</div></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">* October 15, 2013</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">* October 29, 2013</div></div>
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