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like and how they would interact with applications. It was felt that some of these things might need more time to bake/mature before becoming a standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In addition, the issues that Darius and Martin have mentioned also a factor.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> mpi3-ft-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:mpi3-ft-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Martin Schulz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 30, 2012 4:45 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> MPI 3.0 Fault Tolerance and Dynamic Process Control working Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Mpi3-ft] Ticket 323 - status?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One other no was Intel as far as I remember, but I don't remember the 5th. However, I would suggest not to focus on the no votes alone. Several people who abstained had very similar concerns, but chose the abstain vote since they know it
meant no, but they agreed with the general necessity of FT for MPI. I remember, for example, Bill saying that for him abstain meant no, but that changes later on could change his mind. Based on this interpretation, the ticket definitely had more than 5 no
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 31, 2012, at 8:34 AM, Darius Buntinas wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Argonne was not convinced that we (FTWG) had the right solution, and the large changes in the text mentioned previously did not instill confidence. So it was decided that Argonne would vote against the ticket.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The main objection raised is that the text has still been having large changes, and if not for the pressure of the 3.0 deadline, this would not have come up for a vote. I talked one-on-one with many that either voted against or abstained,
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<a href="mailto:[mailto:mpi3-ft-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org]">[mailto:mpi3-ft-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org]</a> On Behalf Of Aurélien Bouteiller<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Le 30 mai 2012 à 08:52, Josh Hursey a écrit :<o:p></o:p></p>
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