<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I'm sorry for not informing everyone; I was hurrying to get the draft ready. However, it is incorrect to use different titles for the sections that the actual ones; it was in comparing them to the actual titles that I realized that they were incorrect when I could not find them by name. It was also wrong to embed them as text (and in multiple places!), making it nearly impossible to keep them consistent. In my rush, I may have over simplified.<div><br></div><div>Please remember that the standard is not a user manual nor is it a tutorial. It is a standard. The advice to users is intended to illuminate the standard, not provide guidance about how not to write code. I'm very uncomfortable with the same text appearing in multiple places in the standard - once should be enough.</div><div><br></div><div>Finally, I find the old text useless - its so awkward to read that I just skip over it. I frankly believe that the shortened version is *more* likely to be read and considered. But this is my preference, and if the Fortran wg would like to propose text that is not incorrect, I'm happy to restore it.<br><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>The titles are cited in a shortened and summarizing form.<br>There seems to be nothing outdated or wrong.<br>The cited sections are the most relevant for further reading.<br>And it would be good if the process would include <br>that the relevant authors are informed when errors <br>are detected, in this case the Fortran WG together <br>with the chapter committee.<br><br>The hints are based on reported experience that users of Fortran<br>often fail to handle these issues in a correct way.<br><br>Rolf<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br><blockquote type="cite">From: "William Gropp" <<a href="mailto:wgropp@illinois.edu">wgropp@illinois.edu</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">To: "Jim Dinan" <<a href="mailto:james.dinan@gmail.com">james.dinan@gmail.com</a>><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Cc: "Jeff Hammond" <<a href="mailto:jeff.science@gmail.com">jeff.science@gmail.com</a>>, "Rolf Rabenseifner" <<a href="mailto:rabenseifner@hlrs.de">rabenseifner@hlrs.de</a>>, "David Solt"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:dsolt@us.ibm.com">dsolt@us.ibm.com</a>>, "Jeff Squyres" <<a href="mailto:jsquyres@cisco.com">jsquyres@cisco.com</a>>, "Bill Gropp" <<a href="mailto:wgropp@uiuc.edu">wgropp@uiuc.edu</a>>, "Martin Schulz"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><<a href="mailto:schulzm@llnl.gov">schulzm@llnl.gov</a>>, "George Bosilca" <<a href="mailto:bosilca@icl.utk.edu">bosilca@icl.utk.edu</a>>, <a href="mailto:chap-terms@lists.mpi-forum.org">chap-terms@lists.mpi-forum.org</a><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent: Friday, March 21, 2014 5:42:54 PM<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Subject: Re: MPI-Terms - 06 - Addresses and displacements<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Here's the reason. The text was incorrect, in large part because it<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">included out of date (read *wrong*) and totally unnecessary section<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">titles. The source files have the explanation; from the first<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">occurrence of the incorrect text in the point-to-point chapter:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">%% Note that a previous version of this included what it hoped were the<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">%% titles of the sections. That hope was misplaced, as the section<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">%% titles had been changed. Another example of the folly in trying to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">%% keep multiple references manually synchronized. The titles are really <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">%% not necessary here, as the first sentance covers the general issues.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">%% Attempting to enumerate them all is also a mistake, as it leaves out <br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">%% some that are also important.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">If there is a better update, let me know. There was no intent to<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">change the meaning of the text, only correct errors.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Bill<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">William Gropp<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Director, Parallel Computing Institute Thomas M. Siebel Chair in<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Computer Science<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Mar 21, 2014, at 10:34 AM, Jim Dinan wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">According to SVN, this passage was commented out by gropp in r1711,<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">which has the following log entry:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">r1711 | gropp | 2013-10-28 13:17:38 -0400 (Mon, 28 Oct 2013) | 1 line<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Changed paths:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/MAKE-APPLANG<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-binding/binding-2.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-coll/coll.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-context/context.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-datatypes/datatypes.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-dynamic/dynamic-2.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-frontm/abstract-cpy.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-frontm/history.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-intro/intro.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-io/io-2.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-one-side/one-side-2.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-pt2pt/pt2pt.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/chap-topol/topol.tex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> M /approved/MPI-3.1/getlatex<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">More updates<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">------------------------------------------------------------------------<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Looking over the history, this appears to be part of a series of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">LaTeX-related updates, and may have been unintentional.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"> ~Jim.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 9:15 AM, Jeff Hammond <<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:jeff.science@gmail.com">jeff.science@gmail.com</a> > wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">You can run SVN log/blame to see who removed the text. I have no idea<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">about this so I cannot discuss the process by which it came to pass.<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Jeff<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Sent from my iPhone<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">On Mar 21, 2014, at 5:48 AM, Rolf Rabenseifner <<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><a href="mailto:rabenseifner@hlrs.de">rabenseifner@hlrs.de</a> > wrote:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Hi Jim and all,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">a really negative surprise was that Fortran related text<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">was removed from the approved svn without<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">discussing this together with the Fortran working group.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This is the fastest way to get additional inconsistencies<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">into the MPI standard.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">George and Jeff H. as Chap.4 committee,<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">please can you check the process and tell me what went wrong.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">This will be also an input for the discussion how to keep<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">or get the document consistent.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">The probably lost text portion is MPI-3.0 p103:42-46.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote>...<br><br>-- <br>Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email <a href="mailto:rabenseifner@hlrs.de">rabenseifner@hlrs.de</a><br>High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530<br>University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832<br>Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . <a href="http://www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner">www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner</a><br>Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . . . . 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