<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>It sounds like we need to add some text to the standard about this. At the very least, an advice to users about the thread context seems prudent.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Can you add a ticket about this? Collectives WG seems like the right place...</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">Jeff<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On May 29, 2017, at 9:18 AM, "<a href="mailto:Marc.PERACHE@CEA.FR">Marc.PERACHE@CEA.FR</a>" <<a href="mailto:Marc.PERACHE@CEA.FR">Marc.PERACHE@CEA.FR</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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the MPI_User_function may be called by this additional thread. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>De la part de</b> William Gropp<br>
<b>Envoyé :</b> vendredi 26 mai 2017 01:58<br>
<b>À :</b> Main MPI Forum mailing list<br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [Mpi-forum] Threading guarantees of MPI_User_function<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just to be clear on this, the MPI standard generally requires the user to enforce any synchronization needed when using threads with MPI, so Jeff’s answer is aligned with the standard.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Interim Director and Chief Scientist, NCSA<br>
Thomas M. Siebel Chair in Computer Science<br>
University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On May 25, 2017, at 1:49 PM, Phil Ruffwind <<a href="mailto:rf@rufflewind.com">rf@rufflewind.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I expect that MPI_User_function is invoked by the thread that invokes the<br>
MPI function that uses it, and that you need a mutex to touch shared<br>
state<br>
associated with MPI_User_function when running with MPI_THREAD_MULTIPLE,<br>
but not otherwise.<br>
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I would hope that MPI implementations do not serialize calls to<br>
MPI_User_function<br>
in MPI_THREAD_MULTIPLE mode, because there are many cases where<br>
MPI_User_function<br>
is trivially reentrant and I would like simultaneous progress if I call<br>
MPI_Allreduce concurrently from 2+ threads (with different communicators,<br>
of course) with the same MPI_User_function.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks for clarifying. In that case, I'll assume synchronization is<br>
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