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As Dave said, we have tried this in the past, and given the costs associated with using the new ANL facility, it was cheaper to hold the meeting at a local hotel close to Argonne, rather than at ANL. We have identified a site close to the hotel in down town Chicago, and will most likely go ahead with this.<br><br>Thanks for the suggestion,<br>Rich<br><br><div>> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:30:16 -0400<br>> From: jhammond@alcf.anl.gov<br>> To: mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org<br>> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Oct 24-26, 2011 meeting in Chicago<br>> <br>> I am the chair of SAAHPC next year so I am aware of the logistical<br>> issues of hosting an event. The administrative cost in FTE hours is<br>> likely less than what you, Darius and I will lose from the commute<br>> that day.<br>> <br>> There is sufficient lead time in this case to process all of the<br>> foreign nationals who are not already in our system. For example,<br>> anyone from the Forum who has visited Argonne recently and/or has a<br>> BGP account (e.g. Torsten) would already have a 593 on file and thus<br>> be equivalent to a US citizen in terms of administrative overhead.<br>> <br>> Bill's argument about public transit is probably the death blow to my<br>> dream of driving 5 minutes to the Forum meeting.<br>> <br>> I can discuss administrative overhead with ALCF and see if we can do<br>> this in the future if outside attendees are at all interested.<br>> <br>> Jeff<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Dave Goodell <goodell@mcs.anl.gov> wrote:<br>> > Jeff, we've tried multiple times to arrange the Forum here at Argonne, but it's much more complicated than you might think. A combination of DOE meeting policies, ANL "public meeting in TCS" policies, and other cost issues actually makes it very difficult to hold the meeting at Argonne without supplying a significant amount of work on the ANL side to handle badging foreign nationals.<br>> ><br>> > Add to this the apparent preference of most non-Chicagoland attendees for a downtown meeting (see Bronis' email) and it becomes even more difficult to schedule a meeting here.<br>> ><br>> > I'd be happy to discuss it further with you offline, but I would recommend not advocating for an ANL meeting until you are certain that you have at least sorted out all of the ANL-side issues.<br>> ><br>> > -Dave<br>> ><br>> > On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM CDT, Jeff Hammond wrote:<br>> ><br>> >> Very true. I was working under the assumption that people would check<br>> >> out in the morning, go to Argonne (reverse commute is fast) and leave<br>> >> directly from Argonne to the hotel. The total distance is greater but<br>> >> it is logistically simpler than walking, taxiing, etc. to some new<br>> >> location, is it not?<br>> >><br>> >> The Argonne is zero cost for the space, which may be an advantage<br>> >> relative to other sites, such as at one of the hotels.<br>> >><br>> >> I agree that my idea is far-fetched, but I live 3 miles from Argonne.<br>> >> I am pretty sure Dave and Darius will be much happier as well.<br>> >><br>> >> Jeff<br>> >><br>> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Bronis R. de Supinski <bronis@llnl.gov> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> However Argonne is much further from the hotel and not as easily<br>> >>> served by public transportation to O'Hare. It would involve much<br>> >>> more challenging logistics for most attendees.<br>> >>><br>> >>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Jeff Hammond wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>>> AON center to O'Hare is 19.3 miles, whereas it is only 7 more from<br>> >>>> Argonne, but with 90/94 traffic, Argonne is arguable closer to ORD in<br>> >>>> space-time on a Wednesday afternoon. Traffic definitely favors going<br>> >>>> to MDW from the west in the afternoon.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Jeff<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Graham, Richard L. <rlgraham@ornl.gov><br>> >>>> wrote:<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> The hotel information for the Oct meeting in Chicago is now posted, and<br>> >>>>> can<br>> >>>>> be accessed from the meeting logistics page<br>> >>>>> (http://meetings.mpi-forum.org/Meeting_details.php). Please note that<br>> >>>>> the<br>> >>>>> cutoff date for the group rate is Oct the 3rd. The first two days of<br>> >>>>> the<br>> >>>>> meeting will take place at the usual Microsoft location in down town, but<br>> >>>>> the location of the final day is still being worked out. We expect this<br>> >>>>> will be down town, close to the meeting hotel. The registration page is<br>> >>>>> still several days away from being ready.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Rich<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>>>> mpi-forum mailing list<br>> >>>>> mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org<br>> >>>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> --<br>> >>>> Jeff Hammond<br>> >>>> Argonne Leadership Computing Facility<br>> >>>> University of Chicago Computation Institute<br>> >>>> jhammond@alcf.anl.gov / (630) 252-5381<br>> >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhammond<br>> >>>> https://wiki.alcf.anl.gov/index.php/User:Jhammond<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>>> mpi-forum mailing list<br>> >>>> mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org<br>> >>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum<br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> mpi-forum mailing list<br>> >>> mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org<br>> >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum<br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> --<br>> >> Jeff Hammond<br>> >> Argonne Leadership Computing Facility<br>> >> University of Chicago Computation Institute<br>> >> jhammond@alcf.anl.gov / (630) 252-5381<br>> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhammond<br>> >> https://wiki.alcf.anl.gov/index.php/User:Jhammond<br>> >><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> mpi-forum mailing list<br>> >> mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org<br>> >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > mpi-forum mailing list<br>> > mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org<br>> > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum<br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> -- <br>> Jeff Hammond<br>> Argonne Leadership Computing Facility<br>> University of Chicago Computation Institute<br>> jhammond@alcf.anl.gov / (630) 252-5381<br>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhammond<br>> https://wiki.alcf.anl.gov/index.php/User:Jhammond<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> mpi-forum mailing list<br>> mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org<br>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum<br></div> </div></body>
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