<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">In that case, I'd still do this in phases (for such extensive changes):<div><br></div><div>1) semi-official reading - intended to shake out any issues. </div><div>2) review by chapter committees, including working through any changes (which may include such things as adding rationales, as was recommended with the const proposal).</div><div>3) the formal reading, done as described below, but with a summary of the chapter committees</div><div>4) voting as usual.</div><div><br></div><div>Bill</div><div><br><div><div>On Jul 28, 2011, at 12:06 AM, RICHARD GRAHAM wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div class="hmmessage" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><div dir="ltr">Good point - the issue I have with it, is given that number of changes this has taken over the last several month, and the increasing number of request for consideration coming before the Forum, I would like to keep from asking the chapter committees to review material, until we are rather sure that ideas are acceptable to the forum, and implementation is essentially in the final form. Maybe all that is required here is to use the term "formal reading" in a much more conservative way that we have been doing, and really reserve it for readings of material that has been well vetted with the Forum.<br><br>Rich<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:wgropp@illinois.edu">wgropp@illinois.edu</a><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org">mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org</a><br>Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 06:17:40 +0000<br>Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] New Fortran bindings - Formal reading<br><br><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: Tahoma; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt; ">I agree with using a process that doesn't require reading each individual change. However, the chapter authors should also review and agree; if they are not comfortable with Fortran, they need to find someone (not already reading the changes) to whom they can delegate the review.<br><br>Bill<br><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; "><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="ecxdivRpF725516" style="direction: ltr; "><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mpi-forum-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org">mpi-forum-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:mpi-forum-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org">mpi-forum-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org</a>] on behalf of Graham, Richard L. [<a href="mailto:rlgraham@ornl.gov">rlgraham@ornl.gov</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, July 26, 2011 5:54 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org">mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Mpi-forum] New Fortran bindings - Formal reading<br></font><br></div><div></div><div><div class="ecxWordSection1"><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Since the proposed changes to the Fortran bindings are extensive, we would like to propose a different method of handing their formal readings, so that people don’t have to sit through many hours of reading. Please let me know if there are objections to the proposal by August the 5<sup>th</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if there are objections to this proposal, and you would prefer to have the full forum go through the entire text changes at the meeting.</div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Here is the proposal:</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "> Rolf will apply that changes, as required, to the standard, with Jeff and, Craig reviewing the changes. In addition, Hubert and Puri will also review the changes as outside reviewers. A second round of changes and reviews will take place and complete by Sept the 4<sup>th</sup>, in time to meet the 2-week time period to post the proposed changes. If others want to participate in the formal review, you are more than welcome – just let either Rolf or me know. At the meeting in addition to the overview describing the changes, the reviewers will report back to the entire forum on their findings.</div><p class="ecxMsoNormal" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; "> </p><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Please send it comments,</div><div style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; ">Rich</div></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________ mpi-forum mailing list<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org">mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum">http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum</a></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>mpi-forum mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org">mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum">http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum</a><br></div></span></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">William Gropp</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Director, Parallel Computing Institute</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Deputy Director for Research</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">Paul and Cynthia Saylor Professor of Computer Science</div><div style="font-size: 12px; ">University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign</div></div><div><br></div></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></body></html>