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<p>I do like specifiy better - thx<br>
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Dick Treumann - MPI Team/TCEM <br>
IBM Systems & Technology Group<br>
Dept 0lva / MS P963 -- 2455 South Road -- Poughkeepsie, NY 12601<br>
Tele (845) 433-7846 Fax (845) 433-8363<br>
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<tt>mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu wrote on 01/31/2008 02:59:24 PM:<br>
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> Looks ok. Maybe use "specify" instead of "mention".</tt><br>
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<tt>> When an info object that specifies a subset of valid hints<br>
> is passed to MPI_FILE_SET_VIEW or MPI_FILE_SET_INFO, there <br>
> will be no effect on previously set or defaulted hints that <br>
> the info does not specify. </tt><br>
<tt>> </tt><br>
<tt>> Rajeev</tt><br>
<tt>> <br>
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<tt>> From: mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu [<a href="mailto:mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu">mailto:mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu</a>] <br>
> On Behalf Of Richard Treumann<br>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 1:04 PM<br>
> To: Mailing list for discussion of MPI 2.1<br>
> Subject: Re: [mpi-21] Ballot 4 - MPI_File_set_info update or replacement<br>
</tt><br>
<tt>> Rajeev <br>
> <br>
> I think you just agreed with the interpretation I advocated. Neither<br>
> the proposal or rationale made this at all clear to me. How about?<br>
> <br>
> Proposal:<br>
> Add in MPI-2.0 Sect. 9.2.8, File Info, page 218, after line 18 the <br>
> following sentences:<br>
> <br>
> When an info object that mentions a subset of valid hints<br>
> is passed to MPI_FILE_SET_VIEW or MPI_FILE_SET_INFO, there <br>
> will be no effect on previously set or defaulted hints that <br>
> the info does not mention. <br>
> <br>
> ___________________________________<br>
> Rationale for this clarification:<br>
> This text was missing. It was not clear, whether an info object<br>
> in MPI_FILE_SET_VIEW and MPI_FILE_SET_INFO was intended to <br>
> replace only the mentioned hints or was intended to substitute<br>
> a complete new set of hints for the prior set.<br>
> ___________________________________<br>
> <br>
> Dick Treumann - MPI Team/TCEM <br>
> IBM Systems & Technology Group<br>
> Dept 0lva / MS P963 -- 2455 South Road -- Poughkeepsie, NY 12601<br>
> Tele (845) 433-7846 Fax (845) 433-8363<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu wrote on 01/31/2008 12:29:41 PM:<br>
> <br>
> > The intent is that if the user calls MPI_File_set_info (or <br>
> > MPI_File_set_view) twice, the 2nd call will only update (if <br>
> > possible) the key-vals passed in the 2nd call; others are <br>
> > unmodified. If the 2nd call passes MPI_INFO_NULL, nothing will <br>
> > change -- it won't nullify previously passed hints.<br>
> > <br>
> > Rajeev<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > From: mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu [<a href="mailto:mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu">mailto:mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu</a>] <br>
> > On Behalf Of Richard Treumann<br>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:23 AM<br>
> > To: Mailing list for discussion of MPI 2.1<br>
> > Subject: Re: [mpi-21] Ballot 4 - MPI_File_set_info update or replacement<br>
> <br>
> > I think we have an overall ambiguity about what the "current set of <br>
> > hints" is. This ambiguity is evident in the question about what <br>
> > MPI_FILE_INFO_GET returns and in this discussion too. If an <br>
> > implementation supports 5 file hints then it must select a value for<br>
> > each of these hints an MPI_FILE_OPEN. If there is an MPI_Info that <br>
> > stipulates 2 of the hints then how many hints are in the "current <br>
> > set of hints"? 2 or 5? I would say there are 5 and I think it makes <br>
> > sense for MPI_FILE_GET_INFO to return all 5 (key,value) pairs.<br>
> > <br>
> > Two more specific points -<br>
> > <br>
> > 1) I would expect that if at MPI_FILE_OPEN the implementation is <br>
> > given non-default hints ("A","yes") and ("B","no") and then at <br>
> > MPI_FILE_INFO_SET is given ("B","yes") the net effect is that hint <br>
> > "A" remains as set and hint "B" is altered (if possible). If there <br>
> > is a hint "C" which has never been mentioned it will have received a<br>
> > default value at MPI_FILE_OPEN and the MPI_FILE_INFO_SET which does <br>
> > not mention "C" will leave that default unchanged.<br>
> > <br>
> > Is the "clarification" saying hint "A" must return to default when <br>
> > MPI_FILE_INFO_SET fails to mention it? If that is the intent then I <br>
> > need to be convinced. If we decide this is to be blessed then we <br>
> > probably need to say that any use of MPI_FILE_SET_INFO must first <br>
> > call MPI_FILE_GET_INFO, tweek the INFO it gets back from <br>
> > MPI_FILE_GET_INFO and pass that to MPI_FILE_SET_INFO to avoid <br>
> > unexpected changes to the set of hints that is "in effect".<br>
> > <br>
> > 2) Since a hint is a hint, not a command, it can be rejected. It is <br>
> > possible that some hint can be honored at MPI_FILE_OPEN but once it <br>
> > has been honored, cannot be altered at reasonable cost. <br>
> > <br>
> > For example, maybe somebody's MPI_FILE_OPEN could accept a hint <br>
> > ("buffer_size", "dynamic-64MB") meaning "start with a 64MB buffer <br>
> > but be prepared to accept changes to buffer size". If the user has <br>
> > set hint ("buffer_size", "64MB") at FILE_OPEN, the implelentation <br>
> > would omit whatever synchs are needed to preserve the ability to <br>
> > change on the fly. Passing ("buffer_size", "dynamic-16MB") to <br>
> > MPI_FILE_SET_INFO could be honored if the user had chosen "dynamic" <br>
> > at FILE_OPEN but would need to be ignored if he had not.<br>
> > <br>
> > For most implementations, a hint like "buffer_size" could not be <br>
> > honored at all after the first file read or write had been done.<br>
> > <br>
> > Dick Treumann - MPI Team/TCEM <br>
> > IBM Systems & Technology Group<br>
> > Dept 0lva / MS P963 -- 2455 South Road -- Poughkeepsie, NY 12601<br>
> > Tele (845) 433-7846 Fax (845) 433-8363<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > mpi-21-bounces@cs.uiuc.edu wrote on 01/31/2008 08:24:51 AM:<br>
> > <br>
> > > This is a proposal for MPI 2.1, Ballot 4.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > I'm asking especially the implementors to check, whether<br>
> > > this interpretation is implemented in their MPI implementations,<br>
> > > or does not contradict to the existing implementation.<br>
> > > <br>
> > > This is a follow up to:<br>
> > > MPI_File_set_info<br>
> > > in <a href="http://www.cs.uiuc.edu/homes/wgropp/projects/parallel/MPI/mpi-">http://www.cs.uiuc.edu/homes/wgropp/projects/parallel/MPI/mpi-</a><br>
> > > errata/index.html<br>
> > > with mail discussion not yet existing<br>
> > > ___________________________________<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Proposal:<br>
> > > Add in MPI-2.0 Sect. 9.2.8, File Info, page 218, after line 18 the <br>
> > > following sentences:<br>
> > > <br>
> > > With MPI_FILE_SET_VIEW and MPI_FILE_SET_INFO the current setting<br>
> > > of all hints used by the system to this open file is updated by <br>
> > > the (key,value) pairs in the info argument.<br>
> > > ___________________________________<br>
> > > Rationale for this clarification:<br>
> > > This text was missing. It was not clear, whether a info handles<br>
> > > in MPI_FILE_SET_VIEW and MPI_FILE_SET_INFO are updating or replacing<br>
> > > the current set of used hints. <br>
> > > The developers from ROMIO decided to update the current set of<br>
> used hints.<br>
> > > Therefore, this behavior should be the expected behavior of a majority<br>
> > > of users.<br>
> > > ___________________________________<br>
> > > <br>
> > > Best regards<br>
> > > Rolf<br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > <br>
> > > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner@hlrs.de<br>
> > > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530<br>
> > > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832<br>
> > > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner<br>
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